hertz czy jbl

[Placek]

JA jeszce brałem pod uwagę resolution 10 ale jego efektywność jest koszmarna.Nie wiem jak Ty ale ja chciałbym zrobic obudowe naprawde małą - czyli 20-22l netto (po doliczeniu gratów jakieś 25-27). Oczywiście closed.

[mIKI]

Placek, wisnia, amy te same cele, jak bedziecie maili jakies ciakwe opcje dajcie znac. ten XXLS wyglada bardzo ciekawie i jak zamowienic z holandii to moze byc pieknie!

[Placek]

Spoko zamówienie wisi w powietrzu , pogadam z Marosikiem i zrobimy ekspresową zrzutę na te kilogramy magnesów:) NAjpierw jednak trochę teorii , symulacji i opinii doświadczonych trzeba zebrać:)

[mIKI]

dokladnie, a wiesz mniej wiecej jaka jest cena tego perleska?:]

[ Dodano: 2005-12-07, 00:07 ]
a co do zamowienia... dzisiaj moj ojciec byl w holandii dzisiaj wraca, za jakis czas tez sie wybieram wiec mozna isc w ta strone.
mam znajomego co sciaga auta i paczuszke tez wezmie;]

[Placek]

ceny z poczatku grudnia w AC -.nl

> 830842 XXLS-269/4 106.82
> 830843 XXLS-269/8 109.06
> 830844 XXLS-308/4 119.74
> 830845 XXLS-308/8 121.99

[mIKI]

mrrrrr;> nic tylko robic wywiad i symulowac.

[tomaszo]

Kudlaty - czestotliwosci ponizej nawet 100Hz z uwagi na dl. fali i male srednica w porownaniu gosnikow je odtwarzajacych rozchodza sie w przypadku obudow poza tuba dookolnie - nie maja wplywu na stereofonie, a szczegolnie jesli sub wspomaga kolumny pracujace do okolo 40 paru Hz - czyli pracuje ponizej tej czest.
Nie chcialem Cie obrazic - nie wiem co slyszales i jak ustawione... Wiem tylko, ze mozna zrobic sumator, filtr i zastosowac subwoofer w systemie 2.1 z wielkim powodzeniem - doswiadczylem wielokrotnie takich odsluchow...

[wisnia]

przydaly by sie jeszcze Placek ceny XXLSa w wersji zamochodowej, to jest:
XXLS CAR 830877 -12"
XXLS CAR 830876 -10"

[Uzytkownik]

wisnia, mIKI, Placek, slyszeliscie juz jakies opinie? Glownie to zastanawiam sie czy ten glosnik bedzie mial kopa. Troszke maly BL jak dla mnie ma i Mms calkiem spore. Powiedzcie cos wiecej. Ile by kosztowala przesylka grupowa?

pozdrawiam

[wisnia]

wejdz w dzial off topic i tam jest temat "zamowienie glosnikow z holandii" czy cos w tym stylu, tam znajdziesz cala procedure razem z cenami.

kiedys ktos musi sprobowac nowego glosnika bo jezeli tak nie bedzie to dalej bysmy sluchali Altuso'w

[Uzytkownik]

zobacze to, ale nie sadze zeby xls byl dobrym glosniczkiem do muzy. jak bedzie to chyba sie przekonamy panowie ? :)

pozdtro

[wisnia]

xls moze nie jest dobry do muzy ale XXLS CAR w closed czemu nie...

[Uzytkownik]

Kup, sprawdz i powiedz jak jest :)

[Placek]

Wiśnia ->

Ceny z końca listpada

> 830876 XXLS-10/CW 123.09
> 830877 XXLS-12/CW 137.21

[wisnia]

czyli 100pare zl drozej wychodzi niz zwykly XXLS hmm to jest jeszcze do przemyslenia z mojej strony
dzieki za ceny

Pozdrawiam

[Placek]

POD KAŻDĄ NAZWĄ CENA W EURO - AKTUALNA NA 27 LISTOPADA



DOMOWE XXLS

Type: XXLS 269 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP DVC 8+8 ohm - 830846
116.63


Electrical data
Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 3.1/133 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 71.5 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 2.6 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 1.6 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 24.3 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 9.24
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.34
Total Q factor Qts 0.33

Force factor Bl 10.1 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 1.48 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 89.7 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.48 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 21.2 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 352 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 81.8 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 91.0 (dB)

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Type: XXLS 269 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L 8 ohm - 830843
109.06


Electrical data
Nominal impedance Zn 8 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 6.7/133 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 118.0 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 5.8 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 2.8 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 25.0 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 9.03
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.47
Total Q factor Qts 0.44

Force factor Bl 12.5 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 1.39 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 79.9 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.51 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 21.2 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 352 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 86.7 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 87.2 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.3 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 56
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 5.2

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Type: XXLS 269 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L 4 ohm - 830842
106.82

Electrical data
Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 3.9/100 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 122.5 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 2.6 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 4.2 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 19.2 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 8.74
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.19
Total Q factor Qts 0.19

Force factor Bl 14.9 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 1.84 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 133.8 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.52 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 21.2 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 352 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 88.4 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 88.4 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.3 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 103
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 9.2

Power handling
100h RMS noise test (IEC) 175 (W)
Longterm Max System Power (IEC) 350 (W)

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Type: XXLS 308 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP DCV 8+8 ohm - 830847
129.60


Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 3.0/115 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 72.0 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 2.5 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 1.8 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 21.8 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 10.24
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.37
Total Q factor Qts 0.36

Force factor Bl 10.2 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 1.48 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 110.9 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.48 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 24.4 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 466 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 144.2 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 92.0 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 2
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.3 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 60
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 6.4

Power handling
100h RMS noise test (IEC) 175 (W)
Longterm Max System Power (IEC) 350 (W)
IEC268-5 noise signal is used for the powertest.

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Type: XXLS 308 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L 8 ohm - 830845
121.99


Nominal impedance Zn 8 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 6.7/109 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 126.7 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 5.9 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 3.6 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 21.5 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 9.68
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.47
Total Q factor Qts 0.45

Force factor Bl 13.1 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 1.41 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 101.4 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.54 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 24.4 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 466 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 162.5 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 88.0 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.3 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 48
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 5.4

100h RMS noise test (IEC) 175 (W)
Longterm Max System Power (IEC) 350 (W)

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Type: XXLS 308 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L XXLS 4 ohm - 830844
119.74


Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 3.8/97 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 119.4 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 2.8 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 4.2 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 17.7 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 8.21
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.20
Total Q factor Qts 0.20

Force factor Bl 15.7 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 2.11 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 155.9 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.52 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 24.4 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 466 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 156.5 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 90.3 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.3 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 90
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 9.3

100h RMS noise test (IEC) 175 (W)
Longterm Max System Power (IEC) 350 (W)


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SAMOCHODOWE XXLS

XXLS CAR 269 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L 4 ohm - 830876
123.09



Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 2.2/122 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 26.5 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 1.7 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 1.5 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 39.0 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 6.79
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.47
Total Q factor Qts 0.44

Force factor Bl 10.4 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 4.37 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 121.1 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.14 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 21.2 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 352 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 23.6 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 92.2 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.4 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 88
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 7.9

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Type: XXLS CAR 308 SWR 51 147 NWP ALP 4L 4 ohm - 830877
137.21

Nominal impedance Zn 4 (ohm)
Minimum imp./at freq. Zmin 2.2/119 (ohm/Hz)
Maximum impedance Zo 25.7 (ohm)
Dc resistance Re 1.7 (ohm)
Voice coil inductance Le 1.3 (mH)

TS Parameters
Resonance Frequency fs 35.0 (Hz)
Mechanical Q factor Qms 7.31
Electrical Q factor Qes 0.52
Total Q factor Qts 0.49

Force factor Bl 10.6 (Tm)
Mechanical resistance Rms 4.69 (Kg/s)
Moving mass Mms 156.1 (g)
Suspens. compliance Cms 0.13 (mm/N)
Effective cone diam. D 24.4 (cm)
Effective piston area Sd 466 (cm&sup2
Equivalent volume Vas 39.9 (ltrs)
SPL 2.83V/1m at fmin 94.3 (dB)
Voice coil and magnet parameters
Voice coil diameter 51.0 (mm)
Voice coil length 33.0 (mm)
Voice coil layers 4
Height of the gap 8.0 (mm)
Linear excursion +/- 12.5 (mm)
Max mech. excursion +/- - (mm)
Total useful flux 2.4 (mWb)
Diameter of magnet 147 (mm)
Height of magnet 35 (mm)
Weight of magnet 2.4 (kg)

Factors
Ratio fs/Qts 71
Ratio BL/sqrt(Re) 8.1

[mIKI]

czy jest na forum osoba ktora slyszala XXLS'a? ktora kolwiek wersje??

[wisnia]

chyba nie ma ;] ja bede za 2-3 michy

[Placek]

tylko trzeba wybrac najpierw odpowiedniego

[vip]

z tego co wiem to lukasz mial xxxls'a wiec walcie do niego